This also gives me room for more wedges. 759 Decided to get lofts and lie's double checked on my irons for peace of mind and following a gap check session get them bent 2 degree strong to the original manufacturer loft spec. Undershooter I have read that it can create "diggers" is this true? Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. Still, someone has to win, and, with such dead wood, punters might smile at this opportunity to nab the winner of an event returning to its status as an opposite event expect LIV to make an offer in 2024. So it doesnt matter to me what loft a golfers 6 iron is, as long as that loft allows a golfer to launch and spin the ball in a way thats ideal for their swing. But what about the mid and low irons, yes I understand some companies make 6/7 hybrids (7 and up is very rare), but you can not really replace an 8 iron with a true hybrid. When I was fitted for my 714 AP-2's it was the Titleist fitter who suggested we go 1 degree strong, but it take very little divot. Youll be amazed at the difference a properly fit set of irons can make to your game. In the fittings I do on a golf radar, I see all types of swings and golfers of different ability levels, so the variances in fittings can be dramatic. What still kills me are the guys coming in and demanding a lower lofted driver thinking it will give them more distance. Now as lower handicappers, we will probably not have our hands at impact fluctuating 3, 4 or 6 inches, but I would not say mine are within an inch of exactly the same place every time. 1001 Industrial Blvd The lightweight speed designs dont seem to help the everyday golfer from the examples I see out on the course. This is even less a personal thing than the grip with very little variation, there is a single way to set up to a golf ball to help a good golf swing happen. However, in reality it was now a 63* wedge so what happened. All rights reserved. Its taking up to 2 degrees off each iron. More than likely you will hit the ball a bit farther as well, potentially close to 1/2 a club. Good question. Taylor Made tour issue M2 T3 Ozik Matrix 8M3 X Your email address will not be published. Thanks everybody for the help! I tried it today but I can still hit my 6i farther than my 64 degree lw. Thats why I custom order iron sets with lofts that are 1-to-2 degrees weaker than standard about 40 percent of the time. You can easily bend the lofts and lies to be progressively consistent from one club to the next with zero tolerance. Product Instructions & Manuals I even fitted a customer with a new SLDR and put him in a 12 degree head with a TP shaft. Golfers can talk about shafts until they are blue in the face, and different shafts will make a difference in control, feel and sometimes launch and spin. SW: 56* Scratch Tour Dept(CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerLW: 60* Scratch Tour Department (CC grooves) w/ Dynamic Gold SpinnerXW: 64* Cally XForged Vintage w/ DG X100 8 iron tiger steppedPutter: Nike Method Prototype 006 at 34"Have a ton of back-ups in all categories, but there are always 14 clubs in the bag that differ depending on the course and set-up. The trajectory, depending on your swing, should be flatter. What I was hoping from this article was proof for that a current 46* MB/CB PW doesnt go any further than the 47/48* PWs of the past. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. The sole on that thing is tiny compared to any driving iron and I still had no trouble hitting it off the deck. When you start messing around with the hozzels and stress on clubs you need to know what you are doing. The bounce on irons is pretty much a non starter in my opinion. Usually weak, but occasionally strong, and if done intelligently where you don't hurt the clubs playability it's no big deal. Titleist Vokey 47* Oban CT 125, 51*, 55*, and 59* Shimada Tour Wedge Black I found it astonishing that by moving my hands that much forward at impact gain nearly 30 yards. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. TaylorMade M2 (2016) 9.5* (2* lower) HZRDUS T1100 75g 6.5 I truly wish customers would do their do diligence before getting fit. Callaway MD 3 52 bent to 54 [size=4]KBS 610 S+[/size] Odyssey 2-ball Pro-Type milled face putter. So the assumption is that the loft alone is what is creating more distance with the new irons. Great point I am a low ball hitter looking for more distance especially in my high irons. Good info to pass along regarding COG. Upload or insert images from URL. Dont worry and overthink this like most doo. Sorry to be a jerk but this topic comes up quite regularly so there are dozens of threads in the archives discussing this same topic. So to get the most performance out of each iron, for these low ball hitters, we need to add loft. If the hosel design and manufacturing processes allow it, the lie of an iron can be bent 3-4 degrees or more with no compromise to the integrity of the head. By In a typical golf set, loft increases as shaft length decreases. Your email address will not be published. Its like that distance is just not filled. Couldn't agree more with your entire post. So going 2 strong will remove 2 degrees of bounce. TM TP UDi #1 w/ Diamana He hasnt let that chance go, and while the opening nine events certainly havent been stunning seven missed cuts he showed up at Bermuda, finishing 35th after entering Sunday inside the top-15. The club was designed and built with certain characteristics. Driver: G425 LST 9on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 5S, Fairway: G425LST 3w on Fujikura VENTUSBlue 6S, G425MAX 9won Graphite Design Tour ADDI7S, Utility: KING Forged Utility Black 4 on UST RECOIL SMACWRAP, Irons: KING Forged TEC Black5-Gon Mitsubishi MMT, Wedges:ES2154& Hi Toe Raw58on KBS Hi Rev 2.0, Putter: Triple Track Double Wide White Hot, Balls: Pro V1TP5xChrome Soft Triple Track x LS. traditional lofts ftw (let the technology be what determines added length/distance, not loft changes). Can you bend a metal wood? Ping G410 LST 3 Wood Oban Tour Prototype V430 Arnold Palmer Invitational 2023 (*** NO LIV DISCUSSIONS/REFERENCES ***), Custom Ping i230 5-UW KBS Tour R+ Power Spec, G425 3 wood with GD TP, Ping Kaili Shaft,King Tec Hybrid, Jaws Raw & Zipcore Wedge, Airmax 97, Apex UW. Putter: Snake Eyes Viper Tour Sv1, 34" -or- Cleveland Huntington Beach #1, 34.5" -or- Golden Ram TW Custom, 34" -or- Rife Bimini, 34" I'm fascinated by your basis for changing the lofts? Adjusting 2 degrees strong will kill the bounce of your irons. A standard golf shop, or fitting center will be able to do this. Not fact but I do think more offset makes it easier to draw the ball. Like you said, it will change the bounce but other than that, it wont change much and shouldnt effect the playability of the club unless you are really steep and need the bounce. I've never had a sand wedge bent. In the grand scheme of things, I would say zero effect. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Novak has made five cuts from seven starts since qualifying, with the most significant results being 17th in Bermuda (another wind-affected coastal course) 12th at the much higher-grade Sony Open and 29th at last weeks Honda Classic. We're not robotic enough to predict that exactly 3 or 4 degrees is the correct gap empirically. Good luck! This is a statistic that is fairly consistent across all abilities of amateur golfers with only a five percent difference across all golfers. So you bend them 1 degree strong, bounce follows it by a degree. I knew that bounce and loft have a 1:1 ratio but never thought that changing lie angle would affect swingweight but it makes perfect sense. weight removed), (face-balanced) + Evnroll Gravity Grip | SeeMore FGP + SuperStroke 1.0PT. Not every iron or wedge can be bent. Hi Greyson, Bending your irons strong will reduce the bounce of the club. Some 5-irons are 27. What bouncedoes is keep the leading edge from digging into the ground. Low bounce irons can become more digging prone from this change. Weakening lofts makes zero sense to me. Equipment counts courtesy of Darrell Survey. So if you are steep or tend to take a pretty good divot, you may not want to bend them more than a degree. Strengthening loft also increases the offset of the head. Yeah, you can bend them strong and not notice the difference in terms of look. It is very easy to do these modifications, and also recommended by a lot of folks to have your set checked either frequently or at the end of each year in case any changes happened during the season from general play. Everyone tries to boast yardage, not consistency and accuracy. Tiger Woods plays his irons in weaker lofts and he doesnt seem to have any distance issues! weight removed), Ball:1. I dont like alot of offset so that changes things a little. As a lifelong golfer, a student of the game and having made my living in the golf equipment industry for 40-plus years, I have made it a study to observe golfers of all skill levels as they try to figure out this crazy and very difficult game. This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Barring physical limitations, anyone can learn to hold the club properly, and you can practice it anywhere from the sofa in front of your TV to your office while on a call. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 Your golf ball starts off towards the left of your target (right for lefties). -How much do you vary on club delivery for Angle or attack and Dynamic loft? How noticeable will the difference in trajectory be and will distances change? Driver: GolfWRX is on the ground in Orlando ahead of the 2023 Arnold Palmer Invitational at Bay Hill Club & Lodge. Hes learned nothing Olympic legend launches scathing attack on Tiger Woods over tampon apology, Golf fans left bemused following bizarre Jim Nantz blunder, Best driver 2023: Expert club fitters recommend the best driver for your swing speed, An UP-CLOSE look at Tiger Woods famous Scotty Cameron putter, David Feherty ridiculed for Greg Norman comment during LIV broadcast, Tour pro says LIV would be done if Brooks Koepka returned to PGA Tour, TOUR REPORT: McIlroy switches drivers during Genesis Invitational (plus Tigers iron change). My 54 wedge has 12 of bounce and the divots I take with it are just a big as all the rest. In the last six years, Tony Finau and Viktor Hovland both broke their maiden here, whilst after a period of personal tragedy, multiple winner, Branden Grace, bounced back to form. Each player is different and because of this each iron plays different for each player. I was being fitted for MP-4's and the ball flight with the kbs tour x was a little higher than i wanted so my fitter was able to bend it strong incrementally by 1 degree to flatten out the ball flight for me. Mizuno JPX 921 Hot Metal. The point is today, regardless of your skill level, if you work on making your grip and your set up closer to the proven fundamentals of the best players in the game, your path to better golf becomes infinitely easier. . It depends on several factors including as mentioned above how steep your swing is and if you are a "digger" or "picker". I am a club fitter also and see this every day. Since loft and bounce is connected, and cant be split no matter what we do. Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor. Ping G410 3, 5 and 7 wood, Ping G410 5 hybrid-not much use. What I havent seen mentioned is that iron shafts have changed a great deal and offer more low kick (higher launch/spin) options to be able to match with those lofts. I am a good long iron player and prefer them over fairway woods and especially hybrids. i realize the distance and ball flight. As long as the spin rate is acceptable, the new irons, because of their lower center of gravity, are going to produce more speed off the face (due to the lower loft and lower COG) and more distance. DO NOT SEND PMs WITH CLUB TECH QUESTIONS - USE THE PUBLIC FORUM. MyGolfSpy Forum Virtual Golf Tournaments, Forum Featured:Community Map & Course Reviews, By May 23, 2016 at 04:54 PM. 5-G The golfwrx wannabe touring pros will argue otherwise.. After reading the headline I was expecting a slightly different subject discussed but this topic is something Ive been wondering about myself. Idk CG specifics on those models, but I have seen similar results with I20, and G25. That would depend on what GI head design you have and to be quite honest the only way to be sure would be to test these irons on a golf radar. Ping Glide wedges w/Recoil 110 Plus, those superlight steel shafts in the 85-90 gram range feel like a softer flex than what is listed, probably due to the thinner steel in the shaft. The fitter can then analyze a golfers swing pattern and adjust the lie angle accordingly. I was fit for my current irons and they were bent 2 degrees strong for ball flight purposes. I teach golf on the Eastern side of Michigan where I am the Director of Instruction for three golf courses. Mizuno MP59 4i-6I w/ PX 6.5, Wedges- Scratch 8620 Driver/Slider set. Yes, the T200 can be bent 2 degrees flat and beyond 2 degrees upright Titleist manufactures heads 2 degrees upright which can be bent up to a further 2 degrees i.e up to 4 degrees from standard Please sign in to comment TUser January 21, 2020 at 08:09 AM Along the same lines, I got my new T200 irons late last year.