And for you to even ask why documentaries are biased, makes me wonder if you have the ability to determine fact from fiction! Most of all, Patricia said, she would like a rematch with prosecutor Michael McIntyre. The trial was taking so much of my time. Patricia is a evil monster. Your email address will not be published. 2023 www.burlingtonfreepress.com. She had money put aside. Jerry Browns office, because of Wrights Three Strikes sentence of life without possibility of parole (LWOP), she does not qualify for medical parole. It took jurors about three hours to convict Said for the deaths of his daughters Amina and Sarah in 2008. Are you even aware theres a strong suspicion that evidence of the hair, which was DNA matched to her, was tampered with? What evidence is there she actually left the state? We can help by getting the word out, by bringing a lot more support to a case that is so insanely bizarre, said Geri Silva. She led a normal life, with a job as an elevator operator at the Art Institute of Pittsburgh, until 1984, when her religious vision occurred. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Does it actually have to be an obligatory duty for anyone to be present at a trial before they are able to have an opinion? We were contacted by some individuals an agent from Interpol, as well as a social worker from Puerto Rico, that believed that they had her in an adult care home there in Puerto Rico, the deputy said during the press conference. Jenkins' violent death shocked residents of the Northeast Kingdom, including Gerta Blasczyk of St. Johnsbury. It then makes light of the fact that the car in which the (incriminating) hairs were found was absent of any blood. We didnt expect it. To prove it 110% rather than just 99% I dont know why they wouldnt retest the hair fibers etc. Look into it. Arrest mother as accomplice in Texas honor killing | Fox News CHOOSE1s Three Strikes Reform Act needs 500,000 signatures by July 17 to make the November ballot, CHOOSE1 files new initiative to reform Californias Three Strikes law, The First Friday doc premieres this week at the New Parkway. Three Strikes holds dying innocent woman behind bars: Justice for Shame on your for defending a vicious killer. They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. She was always looking for a fight, Gary Gabard told the Morning Call, which noted that he was a head shorter than Patricia. Stop trying to prove that everyone who is prosecuted is rightfully prosecuted. Patricia made daily phone calls every day but made no calls at all the day before, of and after Joannes murder as she was traveling and knew her phone could track her location. Hardly an argument, more a figment of your overconfidence in your opinion. A Florida mother, who allegedly lied to police that her son with autism was abducted by two black men, was charged with the child's murder, police said. Stop it.. Patricia Rorrer is as guilty as sin, and she needs to stay right where shes at. She didnt kill those two boys and TX knows, but they made too much noise about it, hence this is probably the real reason that Darlie hasnt been put to death 24-25 yrs later. It would appear you are reading all sorts of interpretations into my comments especially that I have a fragile ego, dented by others whove responded to me! If you want to help her let her find peace by admitting her wrong and asking God for forgiveness. Why isn't Patricia "Tissie" Said in jail for her role in this "honor After her arraignment, she had to walk past a crowd of dozens of locals screeching hang her! and baby killer! Patricia clung to a Polaroid picture showing her and her own little girl. But her reputation wasnt exactly sleek and shiny. The evidence is overwhelming of her guilt. You took my life. Most of your comment absolutely astonishes me. You know the answer to that, the same as I do, which is. Curiously after this latest test, the 39 hairs removed only 34 were accounted for what became of the absent 4 hairs? Theres something very important to this case that needs to be mentioned more than anything else THE GUN. Its an opinion learnt from a well-researched book, from documentaries which show and mention a great deal of facts and evidence which was never brought up at her trial. The Riverside County public defender stated that the court may reduce her first two offences to misdemeanors because they are classified as wobblers. Wobbler refers to a criminal offense that can be classified as either a misdemeanor or a felony. That, as well as measurements of the babys head (revealing the infant to be of a more advanced age) very much suggest they were killed some considerable time after what was believed at her trial. Stop. When police traveled to North Carolina to interview Patricia about the murders of Joann and Alex, she said that on the day of the homicides, she had visited a feed store, a tanning salon, and a country music club. Deal refused. Sure theres DNA, but if she truly is innocent then why not advocate to find the gun. Patricia Rorrer was a cold woman. Rorrer killed two peoplea young mother and her small child and thru the justice system got what the bitch deserved! Jenkins at one time had hired Allen Prue to plow her driveway. Today, Patricia Lynne Rorrer resides in State Correctional Institute at Muncy, a medium and maximum security facility that has the highest rate of cancer of all prisons in Pennsylvania, according to a story from northcentralpa.com. Senate Bill 1399, the compassionate release bill signed into law a year ago, allows prisoners who are permanently and medically incapacitated to be released from prison and into the care of family and caretakers. The fact that her jeans were unbuttoned and unzipped. Id wanna be done with that shite quick too.. meh what do I know! And she will have to answer eventually. WebTexas-born Patricia ("Tissie) Said, formerly of the Owens family, is the mother who lured her two teenage daughters, Sarah and Amina, to their deaths at the hands of their own father I was able to email with Patricia via the PrisonConnect platform around Christmastime. He was captured in August and is in state custody. She had a history of violence over men, and she had access to the dump site from frequent visits. I think Patricias defenders are implying the hair came from some unknown person. The trial was taking so much of my time. Im quite happy to accept that ANYONE who makes a TV documentary makes it for money. Youre clutching at straws Im afraid. She only spoke on the phone with him a couple of times a year; when she called that last time, she didnt even know if Andys child was a boy or a girl, and the baby was almost 4 months old. Patricia Kopta appears in two photos, spaced some 31 years apart, after being discovered alive in Puerto Rico after being declared dead. Some two years into the investigation of Rorrer, a court order was obtained to remove hair specimens from her. I fail to see exactly why someone cant have an opinion which he/she sees as fact. It showed her usually all-brown hair haphazardly highlighted blond. Former Most-Wanted Fugitive Accused in 2008 Honor Killings of Caledonia County Deputy State's Attorney Kirk Williams read a letter from the Jenkins family to the court during the hearing. A person tried in a court of law and then found guilty is not the be-all and end-all to the case. Cop defends accused. After relocating to Pennsylvania, Patricia met the 6-foot-2-inch Andrew in a restaurant. Jenkins was a teacher at St. Johnsbury Academy. The fact that shortly after Joanns funeral, Andy reconnected with an old friend, a woman who happened to live about 4 miles from where the bodies were found. There are those on this very site who express their disappointment she was not executed. Marissa Suarez, in the matching brown hat and scarf, and Patricia Todisco, in the darker hat, are seen inside the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 (images via FBI court filing). The Charley Project offers details of the womans life before she went missing: She walked throughout the city, approaching strangers and telling them shed had a vision of the Virgin Mary and the world was about to end. Were suppose to ignore the actual forensic evidence and forensic opinions because we were told that a cop overheard her claiming she confessed? Patricia Rorrer has been portrayed as a bully, petty thief, neglectful horse owner, and heartless killer or a sweet, caring friend railroaded by authorities desperate to solve a double-murder case that snagged worldwide interest. You, however seem to have no problem with these hurtful and damaging comments aimed at Rorrer. This article can also be seen at crimereport.com. Interesting points thanks for writing in (and, yikes, those poor deer that starve to death). Charles Robert, the 3-month-old son she had with Gary Gabard, died of sudden infant death syndrome; Patricia found him blue in his crib. This woman killed and is where she belongs! I made the confession on tape that I had rehearsed with the LAPD, said Larry Wright. Once, when a gun-wielding farmer and his buddy caught Patricia and Gary riding motorcycles on his field, Patricia walked up and got in their faces and argued, Gary recalled to the Morning Call. In recent years, she began to share key details about her past life in Pittsburgh to nursing home staff that led them to investigate. Alfey went on to say that he noticed that the woman hosting the model home was following them very closely the whole time that they were there. She won't see them graduate from college. (McIntyre said that Egan ignored Traupman because he was a nut who said that the man he saw arguing with the woman in a car was Hispanic but wearing a fake mustache and a toupee. Ill always say that Tommy Lynn Sells murdered the Routier boys OR the father Darrin did it. Unless theres a complicity between him and her, and the reason she didnt divulge it is because she hopes to put all the blame on him, when she was the one to murder and he was a planner. Watch Wrong Man season 2, and then come back and make comment. Very similar. Patty Hearst But I suppose you havent a clue about that. Her mother was married to my uncle. No way for 4 months, that deceased baby would still be resting across the mothers chest. You started slinging insults, then got insulted when slung back. I am sorry it ever happened at all.". She has always denied this allegation and says that both she and Lawrence Slaughter are innocent. Sad discovery. He jumped at the opportunity with the understanding that the emphasis would be on Lawrence Slaughter and not his sister. 5 years prior to all this happening! Media galore. in journalism from the University of Southern California. Nataly Keomoungkhoun, Engagement/Breaking News reporter. One lengthy sentence which goes on and on and concludes with one of my sentences from a previous comment! Patricia Patricia Lynne Rorrer made for a good suspect. Prosecutors did not seek the death penalty, so Said was automatically sentenced to life in prison with no parole. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten, or redistributed. Oh wait, sorry, you werent there. Check out ALL the facts if you feel the need to comment. Unfortunately for Joanne this psycho took it badly. Flawed justice: the wrongful conviction of Kerry Baxter Sr. So whats your point (other than many people are stupid and you arent)? It was Patricias hair no question. Amina Said's mother Patricia Owens Said was not charged with murder. What has that to do with the point youre trying to make? They need to test that hair from Joanns hand and also that broken fingernail. Flaw in reasoning. If you subscribe to Hulu and upgrade to Starz (theres a free one-week trial offer), you can stream the Wrong Man episodes about Patricia Rorrer. But to settle for just anyone being the offender offers no justice to the victims and certainly does no merit to those who are woefully lacking in ALL the details of this case, but nevertheless feel the need to vent their spleen on an innocent person. Yaser Abdel Said, 63, was arrested Wednesday by agents in the small town of Justin, about 36 miles northwest of Dallas, officials said. I live in Pennsylvania, not far from where this happened. Its nine minutes into the video. Exactly Ms. Whoever writes this amateurish swill should get a real life, andsa real job. The criminal, a crazy with a psychotic crush on a man, the planner a individual with a lot of self esteem and narcissistic charm who can persuade women, was rich thought compared to the individual in this case, and the victim, a woman who saw her life only as a wife and mother and had no other pretensions, and that even if she had threatened the individual that she would leave a few times, she always stayed. She would also have no heart when it comes to children, not even her own. Patricia McCloskey, who menaced the marching crowd with her finger on the trigger of a handgun, pleaded guilty to misdemeanor harassment and was ordered to pay a fine of $2,000. Instead of presenting hard facts, all I see are words and phrases that are purely speculative.. such as perhaps. If the answer is no, enough said! She said that she has no idea why her ex-husband killed her daughters. "You deserve to die now, not in prison. Her jealousy and rage because Joann told her to not contact her husband set her off. He had an attractive new wife and beautiful baby boy. According to William G. Kelley, director of the Law Offices of the Orange County Associate Defender, Patricia did not receive a fair trial. Patricia It was total shock. You took my family all in one night," she said. How about the two eyewitnesses that identified her alive days after her disappearance. Although I would have liked it to be death! For more on the Katrinak murder case, you can watch Autopsy Six: A Fatal Attraction for free on YouTube. The police report misspells his name (Troutman) and doesnt include his address, suggesting authorities didnt want anyone to track him down, according to Patricias side. Kidnapped and killed? Sorry, I must have missed your name on the witness list. FBI agents watched them deliver grocery bags to the house and then followed them to a shopping center in Southlake where they dumped trash from the home, prosecutors said. DNA testing revealed the blood came from either Joann or her son. Judges may have the discretion to reduce a felony in a wobbler case to a misdemeanor. Owens said Said made her a weak woman but that those days are over. And the obvious answer is not as you claim. Ive followed and made a study of this case for more than twenty years and have absolutely no doubt she was railroaded and wrongfully convicted. The fact that previous boyfriends noted her obsession with Andrew is very, very telling. Patricia Kopta Had Been Missing Since 1992. She Was Found in Lieutenant Christopher Coble and Sergeant Suzanne Pearson would later testify that Patricia cried and apologized to 18-month-old Nicole, telling the baby, Im sorry for doing this to you and lamenting to the officers that she would never see little Nicole again. Jury convicts man who harbored fugitive brother accused of killing Theres a similar air of confusion connected to the Scott Peterson debacle. "I'm not sorry we were caught. Before Said was taken away, he heard two victim impact statements. The men harbored Yaser Said inside an apartment in Bedford, according to court documents, and he was nearly captured after a maintenance worker spotted him in August 2017. All of them returned without a DNA analysis because they contained no root material. (We didnt get into the specifics.). Do you realize that Patricia was only found and arrested more than six months after the murder? 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One more thing acquire ALL the facts about this case If you can read. Also why if beaten with a gun or with whatever, why was there no blood on the clothing? She definitely did it. There are a number of issues in the case, Kelley said in a letter to his associate, Christopher Darden, including the competency of counsel, prosecutorial misconduct and, of course, compelling legal error by the court.. Fugitive dad arrested for slaying teen daughters in honor killing They allege that the North Carolina resident stealthily drove 500 miles to Pennsylvania and killed out of a sense of deadly indignation. A few fries short of a Happy Meal, that one. And the obvious answer is Ill tell you why (which really is common knowledge). Patricia A newspaper account described Patricia as a soft-spoken, demure woman who had a sweet Southern accent and wore feminine clothes in court. While Patricia does not qualify for medical parole, she can still file for executive clemency or compassionate release, which she has already done and which was met with more resistance from Gov. According to court papers from Patricia 2017 appeal, DNA on the cigarette butt found near the two bodies belonged to Appellant. (Prosecutor Michael McIntyre, however, told ForensicFilesNow.com that that the cigarette butt was never actually tested). We lived close to one another. He took two tests and there was deception detected in BOTH. She got 12 months of probation for shoplifting at a Walmart in Lexington, North Carolina. Petition JUSTICE for Amina & Sarah Said: To interrogate Patricia Meanwhile, the case of the missing mother and baby turned into colossal news across the U.S. and internationally. Irelands husband buried it in the yard because he didnt feel comfortable with a firearm inside, she said. And then in their zealous efforts to show their ire, feel the need to suggest anyone who supports her is deluded. The only thing that has changed since this case is the ability of people to access and proclaim crackpot ideas, conspiracies, and all the rest. He wanted to move to Colorado and she was against it.. How do you explain her not telling the truth to the authorities about the gun and its flaw of only able to shoot once and then jamming up. Because of these two prior offences, Patricia was sentenced to life in prison without possibility of parole under Californias Three Strikes Law. Said Agree with all you say but theres so much more involving incompetence, corruption, evidence tampering and then witnesses, in Rorrers favour, who were not disclosed to her defence her trial (something they were legally obliged to do). "Most of the community feels bad for the child To see that in the United States bugs me. Well, at least you managed some sense there when you say that, especially when you take into account the amount of evidence and witnesses which were withheld from the Defence and what appears to be a clear case of evidence-tampering. Stable situation. "I hope somebody gets their hands on you and hurt you and do everything you ever did to anybody. If that really is the case, the husbands alibi for a date months before becomes irrelevant. SHE IS NOT GUILTY OF THESE CRIMES. Am I supposed to believe that she was still so enraged a week later, that she drove almost 10 hours, in a conspicuous van with a bad U-joint, to kill this woman and her baby? Clifford Freeman, were you a juror? I think we need to realize that each dollar we spend or don't spend could have a serious impact on our society and our safety.". She is a D-FW native with a B.A. Patricia Kopta eventually developed dementia, police said. They claim in a 911 call from the night of the murders, Sarah said her father was attacking her. Not gender neutral. Joanns gun and beating wounds were obvious, but the baby died a less violent (but just as horrible) death with no clear signs. And while youre on that list, you can be happy in the knowledge youre not in rarefied company. The author that wrote the book on the Rutier case donates all the funds from that book to freeing Darlie Routier because the jury wasnt shown a lot of evidence of the medical issues Darlie suffered. Search it out and check for yourself. (Media sources vary as to whether she actually worked at the stable or just rented a stall there for her own horse.). From my point of view, the American police investigations are first hand, and often very poorly done, Ive only seen worse in the British police, which is paradoxical given the laudatory talent of both nationalities, but it is a Scandinavian saying: bigger the mouth, smaller the facts. True, Andrew would have no way to acquire and plant Patricias blond hair there because it wasnt that color when she knew him. Patricia And remnants of what look like a baby rested on the mother. . Let me simplify this for you in religion, one is taught there is a God. Let me ask youWhy do most of those who post adverse and hateful comments feel the need to? As for the murder weapon, police didnt find a .22 caliber pistol on Patricias property, but an ex-boyfriend claimed that she owned one and it would always jam after one shot. I was so excited that I called everyone, and Joanne picked up the phone and she said Andy is married, and I said I know, then she said we have a baby, and I said yea I know, then she said dont ever call here again. "Justice would have been the Irving Police Department doing their job," defense attorney Joe Patton said during closing arguments. and there are probably many people who still think he is innocent too. Im sure shes innocent adds nothing other than to tell us your state of mind! She was born on Jan. 24, 1964, in eastern Pennsylvania and moved back and forth between there and Davidson County, North Carolina. Patricias defenders also say Andrew Katrinak staged the scene at his house by prying the door and cutting the phone line. She likely SUFFOCATED him to get revenge on the babys father who was planning on leaving her. Patricia Prue had been planning to use an insanity defense if the case were to go to trial, but she asked the court in December if she could change her plea so she could begin corresponding with her husband once again. Andrew also stated that when Pat called and Joann answered she had instructed her not to call again because they were married and they were happy. Mark and Patricia McCloskey DALLAS Yaser Said, once listed as one of the most wanted men in America, has been found guilty of killing his two teenage daughters. This witness was never revealed to Rorrers defence. In pleading guilty, Islam Said admitted that evidence proved he committed the crimes charged in the superseding indictment filed in November 2020. Patricia 'The Sparrow' Kopta found alive after decades Hate Crimes Prevention Act and 45 counts of using a firearm Was Amina Said Mother Patricia Owens Said Charged With Murder? I do. Why would the LAPD destroy the evidence, Patricias sister Arletta and other family members still ask to this day. This is the most ridiculous take ever! What the prosecution failed to disclose to Rorrers defence team was that the cops, in their zeal to prove their gun theory, visited several addresses of which Rorrer was resident, dug up the gardens in which she was known to do target practice recovered several shell casings and bullets (more than 70), had them ballistically tested, but NOT ONE was found to be a match to the bullet recovered from the victim. Police were led to the Prues by a business card found in Jenkins' home for Allen Prue's snow-plow business and a report that the Prues had called Jenkins about trouble with their vehicle. Relatives at the time told cops that Yaser threatened bodily harm against Sarah for going on a date with a non-Muslim. Todays arrest of their father, Yaser Said brings us closer to ensuring justice is served on their behalf.. In 1981, Patricia Wrights second husband, Willie Jerome Scott, was found stabbed to death in his mobile home park in Los Angeles. Yaser had been on the FBIs Ten Most Wanted Fugitives list since 2014, according to CBS. I thought the justice system in my state and the people were narrow-minded and corrupt. Murder in Lehigh Valley: Keith Morrison Reports, The Lindbergh Kidnapping: Forensic Files Lost Episode, Dawn Fehring: A Missionary Dies Too Young, Joanne Chambers and Paula Nawrocki: Strange Lesson. WebHis ex-wife and the mother of the teens, Patricia Owens, watched Said as the judge sentenced him. Owens called him "the devil" and said he deserved a punishment much tougher than life in prison. Yaser Abdel Said, 65, was found guilty of the 2008 capital murders of his daughters, Sarah Said, 17, and Amina Said, 18, according to the Dallas Morning News. It seems so, according to you. After one bullet didnt kill Joann, the gun locked up, so Patricia had to beat her to death, according to the prosecution. After an hour Id call anyone whod listen to me including police! I hope she suffers and goes insane from loneliness. Soon after, Kopta lost her job because she was seeing things and her behavior was disruptive, and then she began to walk the streets to spread her message. The only record of a call from Patricia to the Katrinak household was on 12/7/94. If you want to help her tell her to ask God for forgiveness. But I agree with a recent comment.. Why not do a paternity case so just that is done and out of the way.
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